CRAIG CHILDS: Life seems very small. As it is day to day, and then you just have these moments that just open it up.

REGAN CHOI: Ah, a scorpion sighting!

CRAIG CHILDS: Into something much more complex and rich.

REGAN CHOI: Where is it?

JASPER CHILDS: Don't move your leg, Dad!

JAD ABUMRAD: Hey, I'm Jad Abumrad.

ROBERT KRULWICH: I'm Robert Krulwich.

JAD: This is Radiolab. And today ...

ROBERT: Things.

JAD: And our next story involves one thing, three people. Craig.

CRAIG CHILDS: I'm Craig Childs.

JAD: Who you just heard.

CRAIG CHILDS: I'm a writer and traveler from western Colorado.

JAD: Regan.

REGAN CHOI: I'm Regan Choi. I'm an artist and a mother and an educator.

ROBERT: You know each other?

REGAN CHOI: Oh yeah, we're married.

ROBERT: [laughs]

JAD: And finally, Dirk.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Dirk Vaughan. I was a street cop in mostly Denver.

JAD: Craig's unlikely best buddy.

DIRK VAUGHAN: I mean, if we would've been at school together I would have just beat the [bleep][00:01:07.02] out of him in the playground, you know?

ROBERT: [laughs]

CRAIG CHILDS: You know, we drive each other mad, but in the end we can still scramble around just fine.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Part of what joined us is we were in love with wilderness.

JAD: For years, they would take these trips together out into the wilderness of Colorado or Utah.

DIRK VAUGHAN: No maps, no GPS.

CRAIG CHILDS: No trails.

JAD: No campfires even.

CRAIG CHILDS: Dirk and I would go off for weeks in the desert together. I think the longest trip we took was a month out. Just wandering, looking for routes.

JAD: And it was on one of these trips that they made a discovery that I think it's fair to say still haunts them today, and recently almost killed one of our producers.

DIRK VAUGHAN: So we'd been out for a couple of days.

JAD: On this particular occasion, the three of them are together, and they're a couple days into a hike.

JAD: Where are we again? We're in Utah. Is that right?

REGAN CHOI: Yeah, Utah.

JAD: Think desert, but rocky.

REGAN CHOI: Slick rock, sandstone cliffs.

JAD: Canyon land. So they're hiking through all these canyons.

CRAIG CHILDS: And we actually split up. Regan said she wanted to set her own camp, and so she stayed in one canyon, and Dirk and I popped over into the next canyon over.

JAD: Really is that a normal thing, or were you guys fighting?

CRAIG CHILDS: No that's normal.

REGAN CHOI: We weren't fighting at all. It's one of the great things about being out together is that there's an ease with that.

ROBERT: So separating is part of the deal.

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah, and I think Regan was looking at Dirk and me, and saying "You guys are gonna go scrambling and get weird. I'm going to stay over here." I don't know if that was the case.

REGAN CHOI: Well, part of it was just that I was at least five months pregnant, and I was just starting to have a really hard time tightening my backpack, so that the weight wasn't all on my shoulders.

JAD: And she says while she was hiking, the pregnancy hormones were giving her bouts of vertigo. It was just starting to hit her, like, wow in a couple of months things are gonna be really different. So she needed some alone time. She set her own camp. Dirk and Craig meanwhile scale up this cliff face to get to the next canyon over.

DIRK VAUGHAN: And when we get very close to the top and there's a little flat area.

CRAIG CHILDS: This balcony of rock overlooking the canyon below.

JAD: This little ledge.

DIRK VAUGHAN: So we said well okay ...

JAD: Let's just sit here, have some lunch.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Break out the pipe.

JAD: Smoke some pot.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Exactly. So we sit down, and we literally both have, like, the first lungful.

JAD: When Craig decides to take his backpack off.

DIRK VAUGHAN: And he leans over ...

CRAIG CHILDS: And I notice as I'm bending over a round object underneath the edge of a boulder back under the shadow.

DIRK VAUGHAN: And he says "Hey, there's a pot under there." [laughs]

ROBERT: So is it straight vertically below you?

CRAIG CHILDS: I'm eye to eye with it.

ROBERT: Oh!

CRAIG CHILDS: And then I dropped to my knees and looked into this shadow, and there was this beautiful red jar.

JAD: Low and flat, covered in maybe 700, 800, maybe 1,000 years of dust.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's a kind that's called a seed jar, with just this narrow mouth on the top, and it had black paint design around the mouth. We're talking about early Pueblo people. Cliff dwellers. People who lived out in that desert a thousand years ago.

JAD: And as he looked closer, he could see that this particular jar ...

CRAIG CHILDS: It had a crack down the front of it. And it had two holes drilled around the crack, and then a piece of yucca twine had been used to tie the holes together.

ROBERT: Oh, so it was precious to somebody.

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah.

DIRK VAUGHAN: So they might have left it there.

CRAIG CHILDS: Maybe it was during a migration.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Thinking they would return at some time.

JAD: Maybe they were on the run.

ROBERT: Maybe someone was hiding it from other people?

REGAN CHOI: Yes.

CRAIG CHILDS: You don't know who it was, if it was male or female, or what clan, or any of those stories, but you know it was a human being in the same position that you're in right there, doing the same thing, the same gesture. You can see the hand reaching out and placing the object. You can imagine the hands, and the feet, and the people, and the sounds that they would make.

JAD: They stared at it for about an hour not really saying much. And then suddenly it just hits Dirk.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Oh.

JAD: Wait a second.

CRAIG CHILDS: We gotta move this thing. Somebody else is gonna find this.

DIRK VAUGHAN: It just felt like if we can just kind of luck into it ...

JAD: What's to stop some four-wheel-driving ...

DIRK VAUGHAN: Bipedal pillager ...

JAD: From doing the same?

DIRK VAUGHAN: Because it's an access route. I don't know, I felt sort of protective of it.

JAD: Because, you know, pot hunters were all over the southwest looting dig sites, and that jar would be worth a lot of money.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Tens of thousands of dollars at least.

JAD: He wanted to make sure they somehow didn't get their hands on this.

DIRK VAUGHAN: And so I thought well, let's hide it.

JAD: Craig was like "No."

CRAIG CHILDS: I said, "Absolutely not."

JAD: "The moment we touch that jar ..."

CRAIG CHILDS: It no longer is part of that story, it's now part of our story.

DIRK VAUGHAN: He's a purist.

CRAIG CHILDS: We do not move this thing.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Not move it, protect it. Let's cover it. I wanted to build a corral of stone around it to camouflage it.

CRAIG CHILDS: That's exactly what I'd be looking for. In fact, I wouldn't notice the seed jar, I'd notice the rock, and I would go "Ooh, somebody's hiding something."

DIRK VAUGHAN: Yeah, right.

CRAIG CHILDS: Dirk's looking at me going, "You and your Yoda crap."

DIRK VAUGHAN: Goddamn!

CRAIG CHILDS: And he says, "We could give this another 700 years of life."

DIRK VAUGHAN: Hell, it had been there probably 1,000 years.

ROBERT: Well, so how do you resolve this?

CRAIG CHILDS: I said, "You know, we'll come back tomorrow, and we'll just leave it for now."

JAD: Oh, so you left in a draw.

CRAIG CHILDS: We left in draw, and we actually hopped back over to the canyon to find Regan.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Regan's kind of this badass samurai chick. I thought well, oh yeah, I would be able to draft over into my side.

JAD: So they hike back up to that ledge, yelled out for her, and the next day she hiked on over to where they were.

CRAIG CHILDS: I remember her hitching up her pants pregnancy style, and kind of squatting down to get in there. [laughs]

JAD: What was your first thought when you saw it?

REGAN CHOI: Focus. And just being right there completely consumed in that moment. I think it went on for a long time because eventually they're like, "So, what do you think?" [laughs]

CRAIG CHILDS: I want to hear the truth, what we should do.

REGAN CHOI: Oh, you guys argued back and forth for at least an hour and a half, and I just ignored you for most of it, because I was just looking at the seed jar. I wasn't really thinking to be in the position of arbiter, but I just got fed up, and I was like, "That's enough, you guys. Leave it alone. It's part of an ongoing story, like, just give it up, leave it alone."

ROBERT: Ooh, and so ...

DIRK VAUGHAN: So she takes some pictures, and we—and we walk away.

JAD: And within a year of that moment ...

DIRK VAUGHAN: Everything just, like, went whirlwind.

JAD: Regan and Craig had a baby. Craig decides to become a writer. He writes a book, it becomes a bestseller.

DIRK VAUGHAN: I quit the business, and got divorced.

JAD: Everything changed. But even on that day, they knew.

CRAIG CHILDS: This will be the center of things we talk about for the rest of our lives. The seed jar. Yeah, the day we found the seed jar.

ROBERT: Do you think it's still there?

CRAIG CHILDS: I think it's still there. I think it is. The route is pretty complicated.

DIRK VAUGHAN: With that particular location, no. I'd say 50/50 tops.

ROBERT: Huh.

JAD: Again, if only that were the end of the story.

CRAIG CHILDS: I would think it would be in the same view.

REGAN CHOI: No, he said he wouldn't ...

JAD: Yeah, we could've done the thing where you're just like "Oh, the narrative power of objects, meta, blah, blah." No, we were like, "Is the damn thing there, or did someone take it?" We got so curious about this that we convinced Craig, Regan and Dirk to go back ...

REGAN CHOI: Now they're here.

JAD: ... and check. And we sent our producer Molly Webster along for the ride.

MOLLY WEBSTER: Half the camp has just arrived. [laughs]

REGAN CHOI: We have been at camp for a while.

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah, we've been ...

MOLLY: I didn't realize when they were, like, giving each other hugs the first night at camp, and I was there with my recorder shoved in their faces, that, like ...

JASPER CHILDS: No, it was.

MOLLY: ... it was actually like a big moment.

REGAN CHOI: I guess this is a reunion trip. We haven't seen Dirk in ages.

MOLLY: Regan had said that one of the last times, now that people have kids and families, one of the last times they were together was this seed jar.

CRAIG CHILDS: What are you talking about? [laughs]

REGAN CHOI: Yay, we're so happy you're here!

MOLLY: And so they were really, really, really excited to, like, be together.

JAD: Wait, how long ago was this when they found the thing?

MOLLY: It was 11 years ago.

JAD: This was 11 years ago?

MOLLY: Yeah, so the kids were—Regan was five months pregnant, and the kid she was pregnant with is Jasper.

REGAN CHOI: Turn off the light, and come on out.

JASPER CHILDS: Coming.

REGAN CHOI: Come say hi.

MOLLY: He just had his 11th birthday.

JAD: Wow!

JASPER CHILDS: Can I bring my backpack out?

REGAN CHOI: Close the door, and come say hi.

JASPER CHILDS: Hi.

MOLLY: Hi! Hey man, I'm Molly.

DIRK VAUGHAN: I'm Dirk.

JAD: Dirk had never met their kids?

MOLLY: Well he had, but the last time he saw Jasper, Jasper was a baby.

JAD: Oh.

MOLLY: The other thing is, I'm just gonna say Craig and Dirk are like brothers from another mother.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Oh, yeah.

MOLLY: Like, they are like the bestest bromance I have ever seen. They love each other so much! So anyways, so we get there and we drop our bags, we go to sleep. And ...

MOLLY: Getting in the sleeping bag.

MOLLY: ... woke up, four wheel drove—or drive. I don't actually know how that goes—out into the mesas. Parked the cars, and then we hiked a mile and a half to the edge of the mesa.

JAD: Wow!

MOLLY: Basically, the entire landscape felt like they had just put me on a Bonanza set.

JAD: [laughs]

MOLLY: Like, it was like gnarled, warpy trees, red sandy sandstone. You're on this mesa, and then it falls off into this canyon, and then there's like another mesa, and then that falls off into a canyon, and there's another mesa. And then that—it's just this unending landscape.

CRAIG CHILDS: Look, we're floating up here now.

MOLLY: Yeah.

JAD: And there's just—is it just like—whoosh?

MOLLY: There's no sound.

JAD: There's no cars in the distance?

MOLLY: No sounds, no nothing.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's infinite.

DIRK VAUGHAN: I mean, I know we came out the top and across when we went back to get Regan.

MOLLY: And basically, our objective was to go somewhere into this, like, canyon land.

CRAIG CHILDS: We dropped down to where Regan was camped before.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Yeah, yeah. And come along the ...

MOLLY: And somehow find a tiny little seed jar.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's weird to go back, because I like to think of it like, this is gonna change things if it's not there.

JASPER CHILDS: If we do not find the seed jar I'm going to be so mad!

CRAIG CHILDS: I like to be out in the world and just think about it. Just go okay, there's a seed jar sitting there under a boulder right now, and it will be there for the longest time. And it's just quiet. I can imagine the wind going around it, and more sand building up. And it's just this really nice thought of isolation and perpetuity.

REGAN CHOI: Hello!

MOLLY: I kind of want to hear it echo.

MOLLY: So we set up camp on the edge of a mesa, and then we all went to sleep.

JAD: What's the flute sound?

MOLLY: I don't know. Craig apparently has a flute in his bag.

JAD: [laughs]

MOLLY: Dirk calls him flute boy. It was weirdly appropriate. So anyway, so we wake up, like, first light.

MOLLY: Is today the day, guys?

CRAIG CHILDS: Today's the day we go find out if the egg is still there in the nest.

REGAN CHOI: Today's the day!

MOLLY: We start hiking. We go down this 800-foot descent.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Whoa. Whoa!

CRAIG CHILDS: Watch out for those rocks!

MOLLY: No femurs are broken.

REGAN CHOI: Let me strap this down. The Anasazi were some tough people.

MOLLY: We wind around this canyon.

REGAN CHOI: Moving on these cliff sides.

MOLLY: Through a saddle, around the back of another canyon.

JAD: How long did this hike take?

MOLLY: To get out there, it probably took six, maybe seven hours.

JAD: Wow!

MOLLY: We're going pretty slow. The kids were amazing, but also slow.

DIRK VAUGHAN: Goddamn it!

MOLLY: It was starting to bug Dirk, I think, is the way to say it.

MOLLY: Wow, it's really hot!

REGAN CHOI: The sun's straight overhead.

DIRK VAUGHAN: I think they'll end up having to park the kids somewhere.

MOLLY: Sure enough, at the end of the six-hour hike ...

REGAN CHOI: If you could leave your packs so that they've got extra water and snacks.

MOLLY: ... the kids need a break, and so we sort of leave them in an alcove on the side of the canyon.

JASPER CHILDS: I want to come.

CRAIG CHILDS: Well, we'll scramble.

REGAN CHOI: Well, we'll figure out where it is, and then come get you, so you guys don't ...

JASPER CHILDS: Luckily I brought my book.

REGAN CHOI: Okay, bye guys.

MOLLY: And Regan's like "All right boys, you have your emergency whistles. Remember three times, but no joking."

REGAN CHOI: Okay, final ascent.

CRAIG CHILDS: Do you know if we went up that angle?

DIRK VAUGHAN: Yeah, we went up that diagonal there. I remember it really ...

CRAIG CHILDS: Okay.

DIRK VAUGHAN: ... really clearly.

CRAIG CHILDS: I'm all behind you.

MOLLY: So there was this—we were slammed up against this canyon wall. We needed to get over it, and the only way to do that was that there was a boulder sort of out in front of the canyon wall, and it created this skinny little chute. And we had to wedge ourselves into the chute and, like, go up it.

DIRK VAUGHAN: No, I think getting up on it.

MOLLY: Sixty feet.

REGAN CHOI: Take a breath there, Molly. Hold on, take a breath.

MOLLY: I would like to get off this plant.

REGAN CHOI: Okay.

MOLLY: I had to, like, put my back against one wall and my feet against the other.

REGAN CHOI: Push between the two walls.

MOLLY: And I had this moment where before I left Dylan told me not to die for Radiolab. So I paused and I was like "Okay, don't do this for Radiolab, do it for yourself."

JAD: [laughs]

CRAIG CHILDS: There. There.

MOLLY: Okay. Never doing that again!

MOLLY: By the time we get done with gnarly ascent, everyone is like, "This [bleep] seed jar is gonna be there, because no one else would do this."

JAD: [laughs]

MOLLY: That was really hard!

CRAIG CHILDS: Dirk says he's got the spot, so just head down that bend.

MOLLY: So Dirk and Craig are like, "Okay ...

DIRK VAUGHAN: This is it. We did that route. I'm absolutely certain we did that route.

MOLLY: ... the seed jar should be around here somewhere."

MOLLY: We're, like, walking around giant tumbled boulders, looking under.

MOLLY: We've got, like, a quarter of a mile of canyon face to figure it out.

MOLLY: Just giant tumbled boulders.

MOLLY: Craig thinks it's to the left, Dirk thinks it's to the right.

REGAN CHOI: Anything, Dirk? No.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's so weird because ...

MOLLY: Does it look familiar?

CRAIG CHILDS: This is it. This is the spot.

REGAN CHOI: It's been 11 years.

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah, but I know this is the spot. I know it. Well ...

MOLLY: We don't see the spot.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's just getting trickier and trickier.

MOLLY: They were just going, like, really confused.

CRAIG CHILDS: We weren't that far down. We didn't ...

REGAN CHOI: We've been looking, I don't know for an hour?

MOLLY: And it all, like, looks the same, but just everything looks the same to an untrained eye, right? It's like Where's Waldoland, and we're trying to find Waldo. [laughs]

JAD: [laughs]

MOLLY: Go over and find Craig, get his thoughts.

MOLLY: I finally see Craig kind of far off down the canyon, standing by himself just staring at the ground. And I was like, "Hey. Like, any luck?"

CRAIG CHILDS: I went down and looked at what would have been our likely route up.

MOLLY: Yeah.

CRAIG CHILDS: Which is right up through here.

MOLLY: Yeah.

MOLLY: And he points to the ground, like, right where we're standing, and he says "I think it's, like, right here. I think, like, this was the place."

CRAIG CHILDS: I don't want to think about this particular possibility. See all that stuff I just walked across?

MOLLY: That went ...

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah. That's all fresh.

MOLLY: Oh, seriously?

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah.

JAD: Wait, what does that mean, "fresh?"

MOLLY: Well we were standing on this pile of really sharp rock. It was just all of these sharp little jaggedy knives. I mean, it sort of didn't look like any of the other areas we had been in.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's possible that the cliff has fallen here and covered everything. The top of that cliff.

MOLLY: If you looked above us to the top of the cliff, it was like someone has just taken a meat cleaver to it. It was just, like, sliced off.

CRAIG CHILDS: This whole thing broke off.

MOLLY: The entire cliff face had fallen off and annihilated everything, hundreds of feet in either direction.

CRAIG CHILDS: It's been totally destroyed!

JAD: Oh, no!

MOLLY: Yeah.

CRAIG CHILDS: I mean, it wouldn't have survived.

MOLLY: Even the giant boulder protecting it.

CRAIG CHILDS: Like, it's just been wiped clean.

MOLLY: It reminded me of, like, an iceberg calving. You see all those videos of, like, the front of the iceberg just all of a sudden just cleaves off.

JAD: Yeah.

MOLLY: That's exactly what happened on this cliff.

CRAIG CHILDS: So you're talking, like, 10,000 tons of rock falling here.

MOLLY: Just ...

CRAIG CHILDS: Boom! Yeah. I mean, that's not what I was thinking was a possibility. I'm not swallowing it just yet.

MOLLY: So he calls in Regan.

CRAIG CHILDS: Regan, come toward us.

MOLLY: And then Dirk comes wandering over.

DIRK VAUGHAN: It does kind of make sense, I guess.

CRAIG CHILDS: No, if the pot's been here for 700 years, it doesn't make sense at all it would happen the last 11 years. [laughs]

DIRK VAUGHAN: Well, no. I mean, it makes sense why it's not looking right. It was here. It was right in here. I know it was here.

CRAIG CHILDS: No! No, no, no. Oh my God!

MOLLY: Craig's like leaning against the wall. Dirk was like "Wow, man. I guess—I guess this must be it." And it was this real, like, they were grappling with something, and I was trying to figure, like, what they were grappling with. And Craig just kept talking to me, like, not actually about the seed jar, but about the place.

CRAIG CHILDS: This is where I remember Regan hoisting up her pants, pregnant, squatting. And Dirk and me on our knees looking in on this thing for the longest time. You know, it was very clear in my mind. To have the place itself gone, I'm fine. It's beautiful, it's wonderful, but Jesus! This is a different kind of sadness that I wasn't quite ...

MOLLY: Are you sad?

CRAIG CHILDS: Yeah. Yeah, this kind of sucks. If it was missing, if somebody had taken it, that would be a sad of like, "Oh, screw you people. Why do you do this?" This is—this is gravity.

MOLLY: Dirk's gone.

DIRK VAUGHAN: We should start moving.

MOLLY: Yeah.

REGAN CHOI: That's it. It's getting late.

MOLLY: All right.

CRAIG CHILDS: That's just too much of an irony.

REGAN CHOI: Why? I think it's perfect, it doesn't seem like an irony at all.

CRAIG CHILDS: Just let it go?

REGAN CHOI: You gonna break into song?

MOLLY: [laughs]

CRAIG CHILDS: [singing] Let it go.

DIRK VAUGHAN: [singing] Take a little taco, jig jig jig!

REGAN CHOI: She likes you, Dirk. She wants to hear what you have to say.

MOLLY: It is like a mountain goat.

JAD: Producer Molly Webster. Thanks also to Craig Childs, whose latest book is Apocalyptic Planet.

ROBERT: And a special shout out to Henry Reich from MinutePhysics and MinuteEarth. He has been spending time with us, got totally fascinated by Craig's story and made a little wonderful animation of a story that you didn't hear on our podcast or our radio show. It's just on the web. So that is Henry's animation, and you should look for it at Radiolab.org.

JAD: Yep, it'll be up soon at Radiolab.org.

[DIRK VAUGHAN: This is Dirk Vaughan.]

[CRAIG CHILDS: Hi, this is Craig Childs.]

[JADEN CHILDS: This is Jaden Childs.]

[REGAN CHOI: Hi, this is Regan Choi.]

[JADEN CHILDS: Radiolab is produced by WNYC and distributed by NPR.]

[REGAN CHOI: Radiolab is produced by Jad Abamrad.]

[CRAIG CHILDS: Our staff includes Ellen Horne ...]

[DIRK VAUGHAN: Soren Wheeler ...]

[JADEN CHILDS: Tim Howard ...]

[REGAN CHOI: Brenna Farrell ...]

[DIRK VAUGHAN: Molly "Canyon Grub" Webster ...]

[JADEN CHILDS: Malissa O'Donnell ...]

[CRAIG CHILDS: Dylan Keefe, Jamie York ...]

[JADEN CHILDS: Lynn Levy, Andy Mills and Kelsey Padgett.]

[REGAN CHOI: With help from Arianne Wack, Matt Kielty ...]

[DIRK VAUGHAN: Simon Adler ...]

[JADEN CHILDS: And Lily Sullivan.]

[DIRK VAUGHAN: Special thanks to Mac Primo ...]

[JADEN CHILDS: Everyone at Make Markerbot—MakerBot ...]

[CRAIG CHILDS: The Edge of the Cedars Park Museum and Paige Phelps.]

[REGAN CHOI: Hope that works.]

[DIRK VAUGHAN: Thanks and goodbye.]

[ANSWERING MACHINE: End of mailbox.]

[LISTENER: Hi, this is Frankie. I have two things to destroy today. The first one is a beer stein that I painted at one of those paint-your-own-pottery places with my stupid ex-boyfriend. It's a stupid mug, and it was a stupid relationship, so here goes. [smashing sound]]

[LISTENER: Yes! Yes! This is Jared Miller calling from Chicago, Illinois. That was me punching a wall.]

[LISTENER: This is Caroline Bleehart from Brooklyn, New York. I made this globe of the world puzzle. Did it when I was in high school 'cause I was spending a lot of time in my room. And oh, my God. I don't know, things are getting better now, and maybe it's time to, like, let go of that part. So let's destroy it.]

[LISTENER: My name is Mary, and I'm going to destroy a picture of me and my ex-boyfriend. I am cleaning up all the paperwork from my classes, and this is the sound of me ripping them up.]

[LISTENER: This is my father's—one of my father's computers.]

[LISTENER: And this week, it's three years since the stroke that killed your father. So we're gonna beat the [bleep][00:25:07.00] out of it with a hammer.]

[LISTENER: Yes. [smashing sounds] That was satisfying! [laughs]]

[LISTENER: My name is Justin. Last year, my life was like a country song. First I lost my girl, then I lost my job then I lost my house, then my dog got killed. And this is the sound of me destroying my old life. Thank you.]

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